Thaxters of Holt, timber buildings & building suppliers, are in negotiations with a supermarket to develop their site.
PHOTO: ANTONY KELLY
POLL: Thaxters of Holt reveal plans to bring another supermarket to Holt
By DONNA-LOUISE BISHOP, Reporter
Thursday, February 16, 2012
6:30 AM
A deal is on the verge of being sealed to bring a supermarket to the outskirts of Holt.
And the group behind the plans has revealed it had already turned down a “substantial” offer from Tesco to deliver what it believes is a more town-friendly food store.
The proposed site at Thaxters timber and DIY yard could create about 100 jobs and 82 free short-stay car parking spaces.
Co-director Brian Thaxter said the planned foodstore was about 1,395sq m (15,000sq ft) - about a third the size of a football pitch and smaller than the town’s existing Budgens.
He stressed: “We don’t want to harm the existing supermarket Budgens. It’s about giving people a choice. We have turned down a substantial amount of money from Tesco to get a supermarket appropriate for the area.
Thaxters of Holt, timber buildings & building suppliers, are in negotiations with a supermarket to develop their site.
PHOTO: ANTONY KELLY“It will not be a threat to other traders in the town - we are not trying to upset anyone.”
It would be a “green” store selling lots of local produce - a “supermarket for the people,” he said.
Mr Thaxter said the company had recently exchanged a contract for the purchase of the yard with specialist developer Norwood Homes, who last year advised the town council of plans to develop the land for a “retail store selling food items only”.
Norwood, who have an office at Blakeney, have said a meeting with planning officials had confirmed the use was compatible with the allocation of the land for employment.
Thaxters of Holt, timber buildings & building suppliers, are in negotiations with a supermarket to develop their site. Directors, Brian Thaxter and his son, Paul Thaxter.
PHOTO: ANTONY KELLYMr Thaxter stressed that Holt Youth Project’s neighbouring premises would not be affected.
An emerging Holt Vision blueprint seeking to help shape the town’s future, has earmarked the land off Old Station Way as a “high-tech business park”. But Mr Thaxter said he was disappointed it had not been considered for a supermarket by the masterplan as there was no call for a business park.
The store plan also includes free parking for up to two hours,
Thaxters was founded in October 1968 by his father Charles. The development move comes as Brian Thaxter retires and seeks to relocate to a new site on the Hunworth Road, in a timber, fencing, and roof felt venture overseen by son Paul but operated as a type of workers’ co-operative - again seeking not to compete with other local businesses.
“We are going to stop doing building materials and shop products, so no tools and no stains,” Mr Thaxter explained.
“We’ve done everything we can to help other traders.”
The new store design would be strongly influenced by the architecture of the former Midland and Great Northern Railway and the existing main building on the site.
Initial talks have already been carried out with the Holt Society who raised objections over concerns about the site’s heritage, which incorporates the former mill. But Mr Thaxter said the plans would include materials used from the old building.
Norwood is continuing local consultations with councillors, traders, the youth project and conservationists over the next few months.
A public consultation will take place at the community centre in early March when the plans will be displayed and a team from Norwood will be on hand to answer questions.
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74 comments
Holt does needs another supermarket to give us a better choice, but what we don't want is more of the same otherwise it would be a pointless development which would possibly close after a few years of non profitability, leaving Holt with a much bigger problem. we need a store which will attract more people to the town to shop not something similar to Budgens.
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MrB
Monday, February 20, 2012
Newsflash: As soon as Norwood Homes secure the purchase of the site, Mr Thaxter's input will soon disappear! What will result for Holt will be the best deal a developer can make, regardless of all the softly-softly approaches currently being made. It will always be the highest bidder in the end that wins the day, and they will have whatever they want. Mr Thaxter's input, your input, and everybody elses input will count for nothing and NNDC will undoubtedly be far too scared to let the planning application drag on for months like the Tesco fiasco at Sheringham.
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Tufty
Monday, February 20, 2012
72pc in support of a new supermarket and the edp publishes two comments against it today !! how very democratic !!
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Double Bill
Monday, February 20, 2012
Can I remined pro-Tesco campaigner Jono Read of some benefits he has claimed Tesco will bring to a small town such as Holt, "In the struggling economic climate those on a budget need all the help possible. A supermarket would bring value to local people and attract people to the town helping local businesses that are currently struggling" so Jono, Why won't you tell the people of Holt about all the benefits that come with having a Tesco store in town?
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Hugh
Sunday, February 19, 2012
So you think Mr Thaxter has no input?
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omnishambles
Sunday, February 19, 2012
Newsflash: You ask, "Who would you trust to bring a better proposal? Read the article again and you will see that Mr Thaxter has sold his site to Norwood Homes. Now who do you trust?
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Tufty
Sunday, February 19, 2012
Houses AND a supermarket Locallad? What are you trying to do to those Holt residents! Who would you trust to bring a better proposal? A housing developer or a local resident of several decades (Mr Thaxter).
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omnishambles
Sunday, February 19, 2012
Taking note of all the comments below it seems Double Bill came up with the answer without knowing it. As he tells us, Holt is to have 400 new houses. Most of these will be off the bypass on a new estate with an increased industrial estate and a new road network to service it. A new filling station is desparately needed which could also be off the bypass. When the development comes surely there will be a move for a new supermarket on that site with easy access from the bypass, which will be difficult to the Thaxter's site, and the opportunity to be bigger than the Thaxter's site can offer. That would leave the opportunity for employment on the suggested business enterprise park and also the chance for the railway to develop more easily. Would not everyone then be happy with a new supermarket with easy access, more employment that is desparately needed and a railway line into the town?
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Locallad
Saturday, February 18, 2012
tufty thaxters itself is a form of retail so the supermarket would not extend the offering out of town . the poll suggests people want another supermarket is there a better suited site ?
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Double Bill
Saturday, February 18, 2012
For a number of years Pro-Tesco campaigner Jono Read, has been appearing on the Radio Tv and in the press, teling us how beneficial Tesco are to small towns like Holt, we now know Tesco would like to build a small suppermarket in Holt, close to Jono home, Now will Cllr Reed, please remind the people of Holt, about all the benefits Tesco will bring to Holt, or explain to them why he is so unwilling to do so, which are you going to do Cllr Read?
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Hugh
Saturday, February 18, 2012
Hurrah that the comments have returned back to the actual topic. Though, evidently SCAMROD is trying to get involved. I think that Holt could benefit from a supermarket on this site, though I agree with Gary earlier who advocated a modern business park. I think both the business park, or a supermarket would be of benefit to Holt, and the surrounding area, creating jobs, boosting the economy and some free car parking too. Hopefully as part of the planning some local organisations can benefit too. The youth project, for example.
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Callum Ringer
Saturday, February 18, 2012
I think the idea of another supermarket in Holt is a good one but it has to be the right supermarket , I`ve heard its going to be Waitrose , so all the people complaining about paying to much for food will be paying even more if they use the shop . So are people still going to use fakenham or cromer morrisons or tesco`s
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Holtman-50years
Friday, February 17, 2012
Whilst there would be much merit in bringing the NNR closer to the Holt town centre and bringing with it the possibility in the future of the the establishment of the Norfolk Orbital Railway the reality is that any more developments of the type planned for Thaxters will effectively make that more unlikely. Indeed I understand that there are plenty of people in Holt who actively oppose such a development.
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Douglas McCoy
Friday, February 17, 2012
Further to Gary Dickensons comments re Mr Thaxter being in cookoo land he clearly does not know Mr Thaxter who is a great person and a good businessman who does know what the market demands. Holt is one of the few towns arround the area that has one major supplier for foodstuffs and it would seem looking at other towns competition is a good thing as it brings choice and keen prices. If you look at other towns Sheringham will have 3 supermarkets Cromer has 3 + one in the pipeline North Walsham has 2 + one in the pipeline Aylsham has 3 therefore with its present population Holt clearly deserves the choice
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Billymill
Friday, February 17, 2012
I think there's definitely a need for more parking and an extra supermarket in Holt. The town has changed considerably in the 45 years that i've known it. The bypass on the old railway line helped, however Holt is now in danger of stagnation. A new supermarket to compete with the Larnersbudgens concern, along with extra parking can only be good for Holt. Infact why not increase the parking space by compulsory purchase of the holburn? tyre facility (Howards dairy site) and make that entirely a car park. A new petrol station with access to the bypass would help too.
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hindol59
Friday, February 17, 2012
I think if anything, Holt would benefit from a Lidl store, good food and value for money to help the less well off in the area
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Farquarson-Smythe
Friday, February 17, 2012
samphirelover, yes your right, the article clearly says that Thaxters have turned down a substantial offer from Tesco, Thaxters also clearly say It will not be a threat to other traders in the town, do you believe that as well?
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Hugh
Friday, February 17, 2012
Double Bill - I can remember two small shops in that area that struggled hard to compete with the shops in the town centre ... and of course the reality is that they didn't survive and nobody has ever dared to try again. Monkey_Nuts - thank goodness there's someone else out there who's on exactly the same wavelength as me. If only those who continually criticise Budgens of Holt were to actually go and check it out for themselves! Sometimes I wonder if people truly appreciate just how lucky we are having such a wonderful supermarket right in the town centre.
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Tufty
Friday, February 17, 2012
The rather sad and unnecessary and derogatory remarks about some of those who have contributed to this story are rather unfortunate and detract from the real issue of whether or not a new supermarket is (a) needed or (b) in the right location for this site?
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Douglas McCoy
Friday, February 17, 2012
When Thaxters talk about the new suppermarket they say “It will not be a threat to other traders in the town" Sorry but I don't believe them, any suppermarket will be a threat to some of the traders in Holt, so should we trust them when they tell us it is not Tesco?
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Hugh
Friday, February 17, 2012
Is the debate about which supermarket it is or about there being another supermarket in Holt?
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Norfolk Enchants
Friday, February 17, 2012
I think, Andrew, Jono Read is perfectly capable of speaking for himself. ( or indeed choose to ignore your personal attacks ). Why you go through my list of friends on facebook is a little bizzarre, but I can assure you that they are all real people.
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Callum Ringer
Friday, February 17, 2012
Tesco are the only developer mentioned in the piece these comments refer to so it is a fair assumption that the deal being worked on is an improvement on the rejected proposal. It is thus fair to ask Jono his opinion and what he would do. I mentioned you as you seem to have adopted the Jono spokesperson approach and were friends with many of the fake individuals on Facebook.
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Andrew Lawn
Friday, February 17, 2012
What Facts, Mr Lawn are you suggesting are offending me? You can ask Jono as many questions as you like but I have no Idea why you would want to mention me. Also, rather than try and find out what Cllr Read thinks, perhaps have some consideration for the fact that no one, Tesco or other, have actually put in an application. It would be a little childish to start playing the "what if" game.
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Callum Ringer
Friday, February 17, 2012
Andrew - why are you still going on about Tesco? It clearly says that Thaxters have turned down a substantial offer from Tesco, so they don't even come into this discussion.
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samphirelover
Friday, February 17, 2012
No problem Callum, I didn't realise you took facts so personally? I apologise if history or asking Jono questions offends you. Are you ok? Back to the topic, Jono - as a Holt Cllr would you support a Tesco application on this site?
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Andrew Lawn
Friday, February 17, 2012
Do we, or more importantly our politicians learn nothing. Remember how they let the bankers have their heads? The same is going to happen with supermarkets and in particular, Tesco. Everything in moderation, but this is becoming Tesco UK
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weaversway
Friday, February 17, 2012
Why are they not saying who the new supermarket wil belong to?
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samphirelover
Friday, February 17, 2012
Can we stay on topic please and just discuss the new supermarket in HOLT and not Tesco in Sheringham.
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samphirelover
Friday, February 17, 2012
i think the 400 new houses in holt creating demand , the limited car parking at budgens and no space for more retail space . tufty do you not remember shops in this area many years ago ?
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Double Bill
Friday, February 17, 2012
monkey holt is changing there is already going to be 300 more houses opposite the thaxters site it is growin g. there is not the jobs or the additional retail space in town and as gary dickenson says there is a need for car parking which the town cannot provide . this store would -- where are you going to park for budgens ?
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Double Bill
Friday, February 17, 2012
Could someone explain why people think Holt needs another supermarket slightly smaller than the current Budgens? Budgens isn't anymore expensive than any other supermarket (you can't fail to notice the Tesco Price Match bunting and signs everywhere) and people's assumptions that it is seem to be based on Larners of Holt.
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Monkey_Nuts
Friday, February 17, 2012
*look
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Callum Ringer
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Andrew Lawn, That's it, wheel out the personal stuff when your argument runs dry. It's just like the old days! You have had very few personal dealings with me, so, I doubt you have any authority to speak about who I am or what I do. Unless of course you want to continute to make yourself stupid. I thought your style of campaigning had been left in the passed, and that everyone was moving on after the Sheringham Tesco saga, but clearly you seem to want to drag things on forever and a day.
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Callum Ringer
Thursday, February 16, 2012
i think we should destroy every thing in holt, and build a massive mansion for poor, homeless people, and then you can all make me the prime minister and then i'll make you all rich and everyone can eat chicken dippers for breakfast,lunch and dinner, simples.
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the whartonator
Thursday, February 16, 2012
i think we should destroy every thing in holt, and build a massive mansion for poor, homeless people, and then you can all make me the prime minister and then i'll make you all rich and everyone can eat chicken dippers for breakfast,lunch and dinner, simples.
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the whartonator
Thursday, February 16, 2012
let the haters hate!
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the whartonator
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hear hear! Jono, do you support a Tesco at the end of your road? Remember what you said about Teaco bringing excellent employment opportunities, low cost booze and frozen food and all that lovely 2 hour free parking? You on board Jono? We can have the Facebook group up tomorrow. Bring Callum and Lauren and Francis! I miss the old gang.
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Andrew Lawn
Thursday, February 16, 2012
I would suggest that pro-Tesco campaigner Jono Read has already showen a bias towards Tesco, the day he started the "we want a Tesco" facebook page, surely many of his arguments in favour of a store then, are more relevant now to Holt than they ever they were to Sheringham, Why would anyone support a Tesco store in a town they have little or nothing to do with, but not in the town they live in? I fail to see why we need to wait for any kind application, Jono must be able to tell the people of Holt, whether he will be activity supporting Tesco on this occasion?
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Hugh
Thursday, February 16, 2012
I'm surprised that the news of Thaxters trying to sell this site has taken as long as it has. Unfortunately, it can't be easy to maintain a viable building supply business in the current economic situation this country is in. The only contentious issue is whether this is the right site for a supermarket? It's such a pity that it couldn't have become the site for a new car park! Wonderful location and with easy access to the town. Certainly it would be a better location than the one proposed in Thornage Road
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Douglas McCoy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
@ Andrew Lawn, is that comment from you coming as a genuine one of doubt that Jono Read will fail to serve the electorate or does any bearing on what happened in the town vote last year have anything to do with it because as i remember you were both on opposite sides of the fence.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
I hear what you say Gary but i guess they would look upon this as an affluent area so one off sweeteners may be the best we may get. Sheringham needed another store and it should have gone on the Hilbre site years ago but to many people with interests in and around the town managed to get it put off and now look what has happened. I sat on the car park there just before Christmas and saw traffic chaos along the Cromer and the supermarket hasn't even been built yet and i pity the residents come March-August and beyond when it arrives. The no to Tesco brigade really shot themselves in the foot with both barrells at the town meeting last year, i spoke that night at the meeting and told them that as a result of the multiple choice questions that they voted on that Tesco would get in the back door....and they did just that.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, surely a councillor can only represent the people that elected him if there is an application in place for views to be expressed on. Championing one store over another before any applications are in place would be showing bias on the presumption that it will automatically be Tesco. We need more choice but surely it would be better to see what Holt can get off the back of any proposed store...Sheringham got a fire station and community centre.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, surely a councillor can only represent the people that elected him if there is an application in place for views to be expressed on. Championing one store over another before any applications are in place would be showing bias on the presumption that it will automatically be Tesco. We need more choice but surely it would be better to see what Holt can get off the back of any proposed store...Sheringham got a fire station and community centre.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
How about a Waitrose or Coop Gary Dickenson?
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omnishambles
Thursday, February 16, 2012
It's_all_a_conspiracy : Those 2 things are one off sweeteners and will be long forgotten in the future. Maybe an ongoing slush fund based on profits to enable retail diversification would of been a better deal? Who knows what will come of Sheringham in the future but if other mature Tesco towns are anything to go by . . . .
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Gary Dickenson
Thursday, February 16, 2012
"Jono Read is now a Holt Town Councillor, and he should represent the veiws of the people who elected him." Ha! Let's see if that happens...
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Andrew Lawn
Thursday, February 16, 2012
"Jono Read is now a Holt Town Councillor, and he should represent the veiws of the people who elected him." Ha! Let's see if that happens...
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Andrew Lawn
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, surely a councillor can only represent the people that elected him if there is an application in place for views to be expressed on. Championing one store over another before any applications are in place would be showing bias on the presumption that it will automatically be Tesco. We need more choice but surely it would be better to see what Holt can get off the back of any proposed store...Sheringham got a fire station and community centre.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, surely a councillor can only represent the people that elected him if there is an application in place for views to be expressed on. Championing one store over another before any applications are in place would be showing bias on the presumption that it will automatically be Tesco. We need more choice but surely it would be better to see what Holt can get off the back of any proposed store...Sheringham got a fire station and community centre.
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
It's a shame that Mr Baker seems to be trying to turn Budgens into a poor mans Larners with it's micro clothing and houseware departments along with the price hikes on everything else. Holt has a growing population and not everybody wants to be restricted by choice nor price, the latter which is now the case as Mr Baker seems to have a monopoly in and around the town. If we are to have another store then there will be little point in it being an "express" store of any nature as their prices are not always in line with their bigger brothers though i am led to believe Asda prices are the same across their stores...large or small. Tesco are not the cheap place they once were so "price matching" them is of little meaning these days. Personally i would like to see either a Morrisons or an Asda. @ Hugh, i would expect that Jono Read would support the store that offers the best for the town as he did with Sheringham.....why should we not have our backs scratched as they did?
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It's_all_a_conspiracy
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Callum, we are told they have already turned down a “substantial” offer from Tesco, we are not told if a 2nd and more “substantial” offer from Tesco is on the table, which is a possibllity, and if you look on Jonos Blog you will see that some people in Holt would welcome a Tesco, Jono Read is now a Holt Town Councillor, and he should represent the veiws of the people who elected him.
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Hugh
Thursday, February 16, 2012
My apologies, Tuffty, for presuming you were male, probably because I assumed (yes incorrectly) that it was after Tufty Fluffytail 1954 road safety squirrel who was male. However, my posts do not suggest a position for or against any development, but simply to stste that there may be an opportunity to further increase the Towns access and viability for the traders. I feel that the present information is somewhat vague as to what actual proposals will eventually be proffered, and will keep my counsel 'til then. The highway dangers you refer to would obviously have to be addressed, but that would be part of the Council Planning remit. Finally, if the general view of the Town ,the Tourism brigade, and the NNR do not think an extension to the line is viable nor necessary I am happy with that...again as a non-railway buff!
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sj.bewilliams
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Double Bill: Lots of free parking in Cromer!
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Tufty
Thursday, February 16, 2012
tufty the people of holt do not want more choice and they do not want competition so why do so many shop in cromer ?
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Double Bill
Thursday, February 16, 2012
The article, Hugh talks of a proposal, which will eventually turn into an application, for which Tesco have been ruled out. Keep the Tesco talk to Sheringham!
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Callum Ringer
Thursday, February 16, 2012
sj.bewilliams it's 'she' not 'he' actually! How disappointing that you fail to see the clarity of my comments. Watering down the retail offering in Holt will certainly not do Budgens any favours. Budgens is so perfectly placed in the town centre and their current price structure is extremely competitive with all the surrounding supermarkets. I am aware that there are underpasses in Holt, but also acutely aware that people do not use them and irresponsible pedestrians can regularly be seen crossing the bypass on foot ... but, get real, very few people do supermarket shopping on foot, hence the 82 free car parking spaces being provided in the proposal. My specific reference was to the dangerous road junction. There have already been fatal accidents at this junction and there are risks associated with crossing the Holt Bypass safely in a vehicle there. Having the added complication of a railway station at this junction can only exacerbate the problems. Furthermore, passengers will not even be aware of the town on their arrival at your suggested location and I don't think the prospect of a supermarket across the road creates a particularly memorable or fine impression of our historic Georgian town. Keep Holt town centre viable and say No to out of town shopping.
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Tufty
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Bakers have both the Larners and Budgeons stores in Holt and the prices tend to be very high in comparison to other supermarkets. Therefore Holt does need far more competition. The new store must not be another Bakers owned store. It would be a total disaster if Bakers owned 3 supermarkets in Holt. Mike Baker is also a local councillor so you should ask him whether or not he will be supporting a planning application for a new supermarket that will compete with both of his in the town...
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I LoveNorfolk
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Callum, I am sure pro-Tesco campaigner Jono Read can speak for himself, I dont understand what your on about, Re non existent application, their is no mention of an application of any kind in the article above.
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Hugh
Thursday, February 16, 2012
DB: Problem with in town is parking. Tech parks tend to be out of town and own parking. Of course Holt has its own parking issues.
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Gary Dickenson
Thursday, February 16, 2012
could it not be confined to the town gary ? look at mike baker in the town making shops into houses shouldnt that be stopped ?
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Double Bill
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Doublebill: An industrial estate is not a technology enterprise zone. Tech companies need modern offices with fast broadband not warehouses. Also small affordable units are required for small start-ups, existing businesses or artisan producers so that they can grow and flourish.
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Gary Dickenson
Thursday, February 16, 2012
gary the industrial estate still is not full that is where the focus should be
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Double Bill
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Mr Thaxter must live in cloud cookoo land if he thinks that there is no call for a businessenterprise park is this area? That is exactly what we need. Business such as I have need to travel to Norwich to get decent modern office space and that takes money out of the region and into the City! Not to mention a 50 mile round trip commute every day. Most small holding enterprise areas have waiting lists as long as your arm. I wonder what Robin Smith's take on this is? This region needs to support enterprise in order to grow jobs.
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Gary Dickenson
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, I am not sure I understand what you are on about. Tesco is not the supermarket that is coming. Therefore why would Jono Read be actively supporting a non existent application??
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Callum Ringer
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Jono, The article only suggests it will not be Tesco, thats why I ask the question, Are you going to be activity supporting Tesco on this occasion? so far you have failed to answear the question.
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Hugh
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Tuftys garbled comment ...is he in favour or not?....also merits correction on two counts...1. I am far from a railway 'buff' but simply realise the benefit to the Town of removing the "long drag' from the station into the Town (with a platform on the Town side of the bypass)..and add another bow to the viability of the Town....and 2) perhaps Tufty hasn't noticed...there is a pedestrian tunnel under the bypass!
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sj.bewilliams
Thursday, February 16, 2012
What about the underpass Tufty?
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Callum Ringer
Thursday, February 16, 2012
Hugh, this article suggests it will not be Tesco. Either way, Sheringham was not about the retailer, it was about ensuring the right plan in the right location. Holt needs more employment opportunities so I'll be looking at this with interest.
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Jono
Thursday, February 16, 2012
"We don't want to harm the existing supermarket Budgens. It's about giving people a choice" .... Just carry on watering everything down then and I'll exercise my choice by saying "No Thanks, I'd rather keep shopping in the town centre than risk trying to cross the bypass over Holt's most dangerous road junction". Trust the railway buff (sj.bewilliams) to be the first in the line with a begging bowl with such a "great" idea.
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Tufty
Thursday, February 16, 2012
I am looking forward to hearing the veiws of pro-Tesco campaigner Jono Read on a Tescos in Holt, is he going to be activity supporting Tesco on this occasion? or is it a case, of not on my doorstep!!! Please let us know Jono.
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Hugh
Thursday, February 16, 2012
It goes to show that the Holt Vision is not in tune with residents if they would prefer a business park over a new supermarket.
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omnishambles
Thursday, February 16, 2012
there is one person that owns the monopoly it would be nice to have some choice but an asda or morrisons is not going to cut it in holt
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Double Bill
Thursday, February 16, 2012
would be great if any 106 gain could be used to help extend the train track along the bypass ....
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sj.bewilliams
Thursday, February 16, 2012